History has a way of repeating, especially with empire's in severe decline.
Here in the US much.of our farmland has been sold to the Chinese as well as large food supplying companies like Smithfield as well as our politicians and large companies. We don't produce much here anymore and most of our medicine and everything else comes from Mother China 🇨🇳.
It won't be long until Cantonese, Mandarin become the language of the land by conquest the way things are going.
Just ask Manchurian Joe Biden and son Hunter , they'll tell you.
Well many people have had to move from their countries of origin during their lifetimes, some under more duress than others over the history of the world. And many have had to travel around or through neighboring countries that refused them hospitality. For instance, why are you a resident of the United States?
Coal mining companies in Canada needed experienced miners. They went to Wales and recruited. My grandfather in about 1910 moved to Alberta, first, and mined coal. My father was born there in 1921. The family then continued Westward to Vancouver. He had started mining at 10 years of age in Wales. Six days a week, 52 weeks a year. Twelve hour days. No holidays. He did get one extra day off at Christmas and one extra at Easter. In Vancouver he went back to school, with ten kids. He was very bright and somehow ended up as the ADM for Education in BC.
Yes there is no excuse for the belligerence and immoral dogma of the residents of Israel who moved in when Israel’s people were either massacred or forced out of their country two thousand years ago and could have made peaceful changes to their lives during the last century but chose not to.
In my view, this broad socio political landscape misses the essential factor ; Islam . Most factors you describe, which are absolutely true, apply to Europe as well. But only in Europe happened the Renaissance, followed by the Era of Enlightenment. The key to understanding why it left out the Muslim world is Islam. And the founding role of religions was not left out bygreat sociologists like Max Weber and others
And I will add something on Islam: after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1918 and the the decision of Ataturk to dissolve the Umma was born the most radical trend of Islam in 1928 with the Muslim Brothers of Hassan el Banah in Egypt. His links with the Grand Mufti are very well documented and so are their links to postwar Egypt
This history is true, but let’s take something into account - in 1882 there were 300K people living in the land of Israel, both Jewish and non-Jewish. The same land holds 10 million Israelis and roughly 5 million Palestinians. An anti Zionists claiming there was no room for Jewish immigrants is either a fool or a liar, typically both. Next, there was even more immigration of Arabs in the 19th century due to land reform as Jews. The ancestors of the Palestinians were NOT there any longer than Jews, and if so mainly by a few decades. Both peoples have been there hundreds of years (Jews many thousands), but of most modern people living now, the roots are equally deep.
Sadly, there are numerous parallels between the Ottoman Empire and the US Empire. Where the Ottoman Empire had their poor that worked the state owned land, our middle class "owns" their houses and businesses. But, the ownership is an illusion. High taxes, fees and burdensome regulations benefit the overlords so that ownership is of little value. Similar to the Ottoman Empire, the local governments invite foreign corporations to make big profits, which only benefits the "rulers". The foreign companies enjoy money (peasant paid taxes), tax incentives, etc. given by the rulers, but subsidized by the working residents. History does repeat itself. And, the Jews are still being used as scapegoats.
The ottoman, a padded, upholstered seat or bench, originated in the Ottoman Empire and was introduced to Europe in the late 18th century
The ottoman originated in Turkey, the heart of the Ottoman Empire, as a low wooden platform covered with cushions. It was the main seating piece in the home and was often used to line three walls of a room.
Name
The ottoman is named after the Ottoman Empire, a Muslim state that ruled over much of the Middle East and North Africa from the 14th century to the early 20th century. The earliest known use of the name in English was in 1789 in one of Thomas Jefferson's memorandum books.
Evolution
Over time, ottomans evolved into smaller, freestanding versions that could fit in the corner of a room. In the 19th century, ottomans became more circular or octagonal in shape, and could have arms or a central column.
Other names
The ottoman is also known by other names, including footstool, tuffet, and tumpty.
I am glad to see discussion of the Ottoman empire crop up more since it is the great blind spot of Pro-Arab apologists. It is a lazy habit of the modern left to reflexively blame all ME issues on Anglo-French colonialism when the Turks rules the region for centuries. The social structures that underlie the current conflict originate in that era.
So you're saying the Ottomans' concept of the situation was flawed?
History has a way of repeating, especially with empire's in severe decline.
Here in the US much.of our farmland has been sold to the Chinese as well as large food supplying companies like Smithfield as well as our politicians and large companies. We don't produce much here anymore and most of our medicine and everything else comes from Mother China 🇨🇳.
It won't be long until Cantonese, Mandarin become the language of the land by conquest the way things are going.
Just ask Manchurian Joe Biden and son Hunter , they'll tell you.
Well many people have had to move from their countries of origin during their lifetimes, some under more duress than others over the history of the world. And many have had to travel around or through neighboring countries that refused them hospitality. For instance, why are you a resident of the United States?
Coal mining companies in Canada needed experienced miners. They went to Wales and recruited. My grandfather in about 1910 moved to Alberta, first, and mined coal. My father was born there in 1921. The family then continued Westward to Vancouver. He had started mining at 10 years of age in Wales. Six days a week, 52 weeks a year. Twelve hour days. No holidays. He did get one extra day off at Christmas and one extra at Easter. In Vancouver he went back to school, with ten kids. He was very bright and somehow ended up as the ADM for Education in BC.
Yes there is no excuse for the belligerence and immoral dogma of the residents of Israel who moved in when Israel’s people were either massacred or forced out of their country two thousand years ago and could have made peaceful changes to their lives during the last century but chose not to.
In my view, this broad socio political landscape misses the essential factor ; Islam . Most factors you describe, which are absolutely true, apply to Europe as well. But only in Europe happened the Renaissance, followed by the Era of Enlightenment. The key to understanding why it left out the Muslim world is Islam. And the founding role of religions was not left out bygreat sociologists like Max Weber and others
And I will add something on Islam: after the fall of the Ottoman Empire in 1918 and the the decision of Ataturk to dissolve the Umma was born the most radical trend of Islam in 1928 with the Muslim Brothers of Hassan el Banah in Egypt. His links with the Grand Mufti are very well documented and so are their links to postwar Egypt
Fascinating. This explains a lot.
This history is true, but let’s take something into account - in 1882 there were 300K people living in the land of Israel, both Jewish and non-Jewish. The same land holds 10 million Israelis and roughly 5 million Palestinians. An anti Zionists claiming there was no room for Jewish immigrants is either a fool or a liar, typically both. Next, there was even more immigration of Arabs in the 19th century due to land reform as Jews. The ancestors of the Palestinians were NOT there any longer than Jews, and if so mainly by a few decades. Both peoples have been there hundreds of years (Jews many thousands), but of most modern people living now, the roots are equally deep.
Sadly, there are numerous parallels between the Ottoman Empire and the US Empire. Where the Ottoman Empire had their poor that worked the state owned land, our middle class "owns" their houses and businesses. But, the ownership is an illusion. High taxes, fees and burdensome regulations benefit the overlords so that ownership is of little value. Similar to the Ottoman Empire, the local governments invite foreign corporations to make big profits, which only benefits the "rulers". The foreign companies enjoy money (peasant paid taxes), tax incentives, etc. given by the rulers, but subsidized by the working residents. History does repeat itself. And, the Jews are still being used as scapegoats.
Reuben, we should talk
the Ottomans had their feet up on the ottoman
The ottoman, a padded, upholstered seat or bench, originated in the Ottoman Empire and was introduced to Europe in the late 18th century
The ottoman originated in Turkey, the heart of the Ottoman Empire, as a low wooden platform covered with cushions. It was the main seating piece in the home and was often used to line three walls of a room.
Name
The ottoman is named after the Ottoman Empire, a Muslim state that ruled over much of the Middle East and North Africa from the 14th century to the early 20th century. The earliest known use of the name in English was in 1789 in one of Thomas Jefferson's memorandum books.
Evolution
Over time, ottomans evolved into smaller, freestanding versions that could fit in the corner of a room. In the 19th century, ottomans became more circular or octagonal in shape, and could have arms or a central column.
Other names
The ottoman is also known by other names, including footstool, tuffet, and tumpty.
I am glad to see discussion of the Ottoman empire crop up more since it is the great blind spot of Pro-Arab apologists. It is a lazy habit of the modern left to reflexively blame all ME issues on Anglo-French colonialism when the Turks rules the region for centuries. The social structures that underlie the current conflict originate in that era.