“But Trump is also cracking down on those who participate in violent protests in which keffiyeh-clad pro-terrorist/anti-American mask-wearers gleefully threaten Jews, Israel, and the United States with “global intifada.” There are limitations on 1st Amendment rights that threaten people’s lives, prevent people from entering buildings because of their religion, or spread vicious lies and misinformation about Jews that lead to companies having a policy of “No Zionists Allowed.” Blocking traffic and destroying property are also not protected actions. And shouting “Long live the Intifada,” is code for “Kill More Jews.”’
Thank you for this deconstruction of some shocking campus slogans chanted by fanatics, fools, and pseudo-fashionable fans supporting theological terrorists.
There is nothing to celebrate in Trump's "crackdown" on antisemitic protesters, violent or otherwise. The lack of due process in these arrests and internments threatens all of us. I have yet to read about any white, Christian person arrested for espousing the death of Jews, although one major one owns a platform where our destruction is cheered on daily.
Trump thrives on hate, and this is just another method to get his fix. He is not a hero of the Jewish people; not in the US or Israel.
A traditional Evangelical Christian ✝️ is om the side of the Jews. You are God's special people and the question Is asked in Psalm 2. Why do the nations rise and the peoples plot in vain
Iran and its proxies have not "convinced" so many "useful idiots" that Israel has no right to exist. They've merely given a permitted outlet for pre-existing Jew hatred to bubble up.
I’m 30% ashkenazi jew and I was not raised in the Jewish faith although I do support the Jewish people and their right to exist in the world and live peaceful lives I wish I had all the answers to the worlds problems however, i don’t so i wil stop for now
As a Christian who believes God gave the land of Israel to the Jews, I have to be a Zionist. I am deeply concerned by the attempts by some in what is referred to as "Big Eva" to delegitimize the state of Israel and claim that current Jews are not related to ancient Israel and therefore have no claim to the land. Also, the old accusations "Israel controls American foreign policy, every member of Congress has an Israeli handler, the Jews own the media, "and similar long-debunked accusations
Yeah, I legit think there are (literally) 3 people who are antizionists and not antisemites. So that’s theoretically possible but in practice, antizionist = antisemite.
I wouldn’t trust trump on this, though. I suspect he might end up being net good for Israel (although if he destroys America, that’s a big problem for Israel too) and net bad for American Jews, you know what I mean?
“I wouldn’t trust trump on this, though. I suspect he might end up being net good for Israel (although if he destroys America, that’s a big problem for Israel too) and net bad for American Jews, you know what I mean?”
Only in the sense that my fellow American Jews remain on the whole, sadly, loyal Democrats…
Dislike and distrust Trump on other issues all you like. He has NEVER given you reason as president to distrust him on Israel OR support for American Jews, and has in fact given you *lots* of evidence that he supports American Jews.
Other than the ones who are outspoken, strident leftists…
Which, of course, is exactly the opposite of what we got from Biden (and Obama with the Iran deal)…
That’s simply not true. The guy literally had lunch with Kanye and nick Fuentes.
I doubt he will have expressly antisemitic policies, to be fair. But you’re fooling yourself if you think he will help improve American Jews’ condition. Not only is part of his coalition (that he very carefully avoids alienating, see “both sides” comments) openly antisemitic, but also Jews are often the first victims of authoritarianism.
🙄 lunch with Kanye and the guy Kanye brought along with him is hardly evidence of anything meaningfully negative in terms of action or policy.
Nor is not making a point of pissing off members of his coalition.
But by that standard EVERY dem leader of the last 18 months, and 99% of all Dem politicians did MUCH. MUCH. MUCH. WORSE in terms of placating their leftist anti-Zionist, mostly antisemitic base.
Whatever. You’re clearly thinking in partisan terms, so whatever argument I have won’t change your thinking and I’m not going to try to convince you further. (For the record, I’m not defending what those leftists are pushing, I loathe these harebrained morons that end up supporting islamism. Dems have been too comfortable with them, though a decent chunk of the party has been pushing back. But the point is that you can face danger from the left AND from the right.)
Just remember what I warned you about and get back to me when things start getting real dicey in America (spoiler: you have a “I TOLD you” coming your way).
Dude, you are the one starting out with “I wouldn’t trust Trump”, cite a simple lunch with Kanye as your evidence, make partisan claims that lack foundation accusing Trump of being insincere in his support of Israel and American Jews (you know his daughter is Jewish now, right?) and yet you are claiming that *I* am the only one being partisan here?
Sure, sure…
“though a decent chunk of the party has been pushing back”
Sorry, I acknowledge that it is more than 0.0%. But it is nowhere close to a decent chunk.
“But the point is that you can face danger from the left AND from the right.”
I would agree with that.
Would *you* agree, however, that the reality in terms of numbers, and unquestionably in terms of influence, is the antisemitic problem on the left today is at least 5x, and imo 10x+, bigger than the problem on the right?
For some reason my response (to the original state of your comment) didn’t make it to your comment, it ended up on the first comment. I cover what I mean by partisan reasoning (and the answer to your question is an unequivocal “yes”).
Re: your edits:
- Depends what you mean by a decent chunk. I don’t know if we have clear data on that. What I do know is that many prominent center-left figures in the party have been putting the brakes on the antisemitic bullshit. There’s a sizable chunk in the middle that has been fairly silent; I suspect many aren’t quite ok with the pro-jihad position, but they certainly have been too quiet on that front.
- Again, depends on what you mean. In terms of the influence in the culture, that’s possible, especially in the way that it influences media coverage, coverage that’s clearly completely biased. Numbers, I don’t know but I’m inclined to say no — didn’t this specific article cite some polling on that front, that showed an evenly distributed sentiment? And finally the thing you’re missing is the power structure: because the right is now converging to absolute power in America. Counterpowers are being dismantled as we speak. Maybe, just maybe the Jews won’t get targeted this time around (though I would hope that you would care about other groups being targeted, and agree that it’s no way to run a country), but you can’t guarantee that. And once there are no counterpowers, there is nothing to protect you if the local king decides to go after the Jews.
(lol, “a simple lunch”. I’m sorry you can’t argue that “I had a *simple lunch* with a nazi” is an okay defense. You could argue he didn’t know (which has subsequent problems based on his response at the time), but you just can’t use a “simple” lunch as an excuse.)
But yes, actually. You see, the point is that I don’t identify with any particular group (which is not to say that I don’t have my policy preferences). I look at the landscape and try to make my best risk assessment based on what information I have about the different parties and people involved in them. I try my best not to reflexively side with or against any group just based on whether they’re “my side” or “the other side”, because that’s the highway to bankrupting your own judgment. In other words, I try to take my _identity_ out of the equation, as much as possible.
As such, it is completely appropriate to talk about trump and judge him based on his actions and comments. So that’s entirely consistent with what I’m saying. (And my assessment is that the risk he poses is orders of magnitude worse than anyone on the political spectrum. You just cannot know history AND look at this guy objectively and think “oh yeah he’s fine”.)
On the other hand, your literal first comment was this: “Only in the sense that my fellow American Jews remain on the whole, sadly, loyal Democrats…”. If you don’t see how this is an identity-based reasoning, I can’t help. (And trust me, I know how hard it is to shed identity-based reasoning. Humans are hardwired to think that way. But the first step to doing so is to acknowledge the behavior in the first place.)
Reuben, you have gotten some VERY bad info and repeating it. The only person who died on Jan.6 was a Veteran and small woman who was not part of the ones who got carried away. Her name was Ashley Babbit Murdered by a Capitol Police Officer with a bad record. She was not armed. In fact, no one was. The first visitor to the White House this term was Bibi. In Trumps first term, he was told how the U.N. was teaching hatred of Jews and promoting Hitler, his book was found in Arabic. So Pres. Trump ceased ALL donations from the U.S. his last two years in office. I could tell you about the corruption involved to be labeled a " convicted felon", but I never heard anywhere there were 140 injured on Jan 6. That's mainstream Democratic spin. The rest, I agree with. Biden Admin. worked on destroying America. It will take a long time to repair the damage. I read the letter from Speaker Johnson telling Biden's bunch to release the weapons for Israel Congress approved and they STILL withheld them. Trump immediately released them. Make no mistake, he is and has been a solid friend to Israel. The GOP censured Rashida Talib for espousing hatred of Jews in Congress. So she's on no committees anymore or given time to rant on the floor any longer. The Candidate for President this time, to get my vote HAD to be competent and Pro-Israel. We dodged a bullet. Aloha and Shalom..
most dunno Jan 6th wuzza spook operation--Ray Epps an' others--literally THOUSANDS of CIA & Soros plants (incl. mercenery goons from (n)Uke-Rain-- ta cause trouble--most patriots were peace-lovin'. Dr. Simone Gold, proudly jooish, got arrested fer speakin' in the lobby. it wuzza set up ta smear all the Magas, staged by Poo-Lousy (who also had the Nat. Guard NOT come per DJT's request...) Writer here is 100% keerecht on all things chewish but gits a DING on Jan 6th (a lesson in lockin' up innocent peepull an' a baaaad pressy-dent... or may we say a bad precedent aka Joe Bidet)
Yes non Jews have a right to comment because you define what counts as antisemitism and use that to attack those you disagree with. Those people have a right to argue back and defend themselves.
Your last paragraph is just a screaming piece of abuse and hate.
"Biden was generally wonderful for Israel..." What planet do you live on? It was wonderful for Israel when Biden delayed or stopped military shipments to Israel that they paid for (not gifts). It was wonderful for Israel when Biden gave billions of our tax dollars to Iran, Hamas and other terrorist anti-Semitic countries, and to the anti-Israel United Nations. Thankfully, the Republican Congress just passed a bill to make sure that Israel promptly receives all the weapons, bombs, etc. that they paid for. My deep sympathy to you and the rest of the Marxist left-wing Jews whose thinking is so befuddled it is beyond comprehension.
Conservative evangelical Christians have overwhelmingly supported Jewish people and Zionism for decades. All I even hear from Jews is that the left and right are equally guilty. Where I am supporting Zionism as an academic will get you fired or worse. Only the Christians have the guts to stand firm. If you cannot acknowledge the friends you have and lump them in with the “far right” well I just don’t know what to say any more.
“But Trump is also cracking down on those who participate in violent protests in which keffiyeh-clad pro-terrorist/anti-American mask-wearers gleefully threaten Jews, Israel, and the United States with “global intifada.” There are limitations on 1st Amendment rights that threaten people’s lives, prevent people from entering buildings because of their religion, or spread vicious lies and misinformation about Jews that lead to companies having a policy of “No Zionists Allowed.” Blocking traffic and destroying property are also not protected actions. And shouting “Long live the Intifada,” is code for “Kill More Jews.”’
Thank you for this deconstruction of some shocking campus slogans chanted by fanatics, fools, and pseudo-fashionable fans supporting theological terrorists.
There is nothing to celebrate in Trump's "crackdown" on antisemitic protesters, violent or otherwise. The lack of due process in these arrests and internments threatens all of us. I have yet to read about any white, Christian person arrested for espousing the death of Jews, although one major one owns a platform where our destruction is cheered on daily.
Trump thrives on hate, and this is just another method to get his fix. He is not a hero of the Jewish people; not in the US or Israel.
A traditional Evangelical Christian ✝️ is om the side of the Jews. You are God's special people and the question Is asked in Psalm 2. Why do the nations rise and the peoples plot in vain
Keep strong and bear Psalm 48 in mind
Well said!
Thanks for your clear thinking from this Kiwi.
Iran and its proxies have not "convinced" so many "useful idiots" that Israel has no right to exist. They've merely given a permitted outlet for pre-existing Jew hatred to bubble up.
i mean, it can be both, right?
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I’m 30% ashkenazi jew and I was not raised in the Jewish faith although I do support the Jewish people and their right to exist in the world and live peaceful lives I wish I had all the answers to the worlds problems however, i don’t so i wil stop for now
Please pardon my grammatical errors as the stroke I suffered in 2022 makes things difficult for me many times.
As a Christian who believes God gave the land of Israel to the Jews, I have to be a Zionist. I am deeply concerned by the attempts by some in what is referred to as "Big Eva" to delegitimize the state of Israel and claim that current Jews are not related to ancient Israel and therefore have no claim to the land. Also, the old accusations "Israel controls American foreign policy, every member of Congress has an Israeli handler, the Jews own the media, "and similar long-debunked accusations
Yeah, I legit think there are (literally) 3 people who are antizionists and not antisemites. So that’s theoretically possible but in practice, antizionist = antisemite.
I wouldn’t trust trump on this, though. I suspect he might end up being net good for Israel (although if he destroys America, that’s a big problem for Israel too) and net bad for American Jews, you know what I mean?
“I wouldn’t trust trump on this, though. I suspect he might end up being net good for Israel (although if he destroys America, that’s a big problem for Israel too) and net bad for American Jews, you know what I mean?”
Only in the sense that my fellow American Jews remain on the whole, sadly, loyal Democrats…
Dislike and distrust Trump on other issues all you like. He has NEVER given you reason as president to distrust him on Israel OR support for American Jews, and has in fact given you *lots* of evidence that he supports American Jews.
Other than the ones who are outspoken, strident leftists…
Which, of course, is exactly the opposite of what we got from Biden (and Obama with the Iran deal)…
That’s simply not true. The guy literally had lunch with Kanye and nick Fuentes.
I doubt he will have expressly antisemitic policies, to be fair. But you’re fooling yourself if you think he will help improve American Jews’ condition. Not only is part of his coalition (that he very carefully avoids alienating, see “both sides” comments) openly antisemitic, but also Jews are often the first victims of authoritarianism.
🙄 lunch with Kanye and the guy Kanye brought along with him is hardly evidence of anything meaningfully negative in terms of action or policy.
Nor is not making a point of pissing off members of his coalition.
But by that standard EVERY dem leader of the last 18 months, and 99% of all Dem politicians did MUCH. MUCH. MUCH. WORSE in terms of placating their leftist anti-Zionist, mostly antisemitic base.
Whatever. You’re clearly thinking in partisan terms, so whatever argument I have won’t change your thinking and I’m not going to try to convince you further. (For the record, I’m not defending what those leftists are pushing, I loathe these harebrained morons that end up supporting islamism. Dems have been too comfortable with them, though a decent chunk of the party has been pushing back. But the point is that you can face danger from the left AND from the right.)
Just remember what I warned you about and get back to me when things start getting real dicey in America (spoiler: you have a “I TOLD you” coming your way).
“You’re clearly thinking in partisan terms, so…”
Dude, you are the one starting out with “I wouldn’t trust Trump”, cite a simple lunch with Kanye as your evidence, make partisan claims that lack foundation accusing Trump of being insincere in his support of Israel and American Jews (you know his daughter is Jewish now, right?) and yet you are claiming that *I* am the only one being partisan here?
Sure, sure…
“though a decent chunk of the party has been pushing back”
Sorry, I acknowledge that it is more than 0.0%. But it is nowhere close to a decent chunk.
“But the point is that you can face danger from the left AND from the right.”
I would agree with that.
Would *you* agree, however, that the reality in terms of numbers, and unquestionably in terms of influence, is the antisemitic problem on the left today is at least 5x, and imo 10x+, bigger than the problem on the right?
For some reason my response (to the original state of your comment) didn’t make it to your comment, it ended up on the first comment. I cover what I mean by partisan reasoning (and the answer to your question is an unequivocal “yes”).
Re: your edits:
- Depends what you mean by a decent chunk. I don’t know if we have clear data on that. What I do know is that many prominent center-left figures in the party have been putting the brakes on the antisemitic bullshit. There’s a sizable chunk in the middle that has been fairly silent; I suspect many aren’t quite ok with the pro-jihad position, but they certainly have been too quiet on that front.
- Again, depends on what you mean. In terms of the influence in the culture, that’s possible, especially in the way that it influences media coverage, coverage that’s clearly completely biased. Numbers, I don’t know but I’m inclined to say no — didn’t this specific article cite some polling on that front, that showed an evenly distributed sentiment? And finally the thing you’re missing is the power structure: because the right is now converging to absolute power in America. Counterpowers are being dismantled as we speak. Maybe, just maybe the Jews won’t get targeted this time around (though I would hope that you would care about other groups being targeted, and agree that it’s no way to run a country), but you can’t guarantee that. And once there are no counterpowers, there is nothing to protect you if the local king decides to go after the Jews.
(lol, “a simple lunch”. I’m sorry you can’t argue that “I had a *simple lunch* with a nazi” is an okay defense. You could argue he didn’t know (which has subsequent problems based on his response at the time), but you just can’t use a “simple” lunch as an excuse.)
But yes, actually. You see, the point is that I don’t identify with any particular group (which is not to say that I don’t have my policy preferences). I look at the landscape and try to make my best risk assessment based on what information I have about the different parties and people involved in them. I try my best not to reflexively side with or against any group just based on whether they’re “my side” or “the other side”, because that’s the highway to bankrupting your own judgment. In other words, I try to take my _identity_ out of the equation, as much as possible.
As such, it is completely appropriate to talk about trump and judge him based on his actions and comments. So that’s entirely consistent with what I’m saying. (And my assessment is that the risk he poses is orders of magnitude worse than anyone on the political spectrum. You just cannot know history AND look at this guy objectively and think “oh yeah he’s fine”.)
On the other hand, your literal first comment was this: “Only in the sense that my fellow American Jews remain on the whole, sadly, loyal Democrats…”. If you don’t see how this is an identity-based reasoning, I can’t help. (And trust me, I know how hard it is to shed identity-based reasoning. Humans are hardwired to think that way. But the first step to doing so is to acknowledge the behavior in the first place.)
Reuben, you have gotten some VERY bad info and repeating it. The only person who died on Jan.6 was a Veteran and small woman who was not part of the ones who got carried away. Her name was Ashley Babbit Murdered by a Capitol Police Officer with a bad record. She was not armed. In fact, no one was. The first visitor to the White House this term was Bibi. In Trumps first term, he was told how the U.N. was teaching hatred of Jews and promoting Hitler, his book was found in Arabic. So Pres. Trump ceased ALL donations from the U.S. his last two years in office. I could tell you about the corruption involved to be labeled a " convicted felon", but I never heard anywhere there were 140 injured on Jan 6. That's mainstream Democratic spin. The rest, I agree with. Biden Admin. worked on destroying America. It will take a long time to repair the damage. I read the letter from Speaker Johnson telling Biden's bunch to release the weapons for Israel Congress approved and they STILL withheld them. Trump immediately released them. Make no mistake, he is and has been a solid friend to Israel. The GOP censured Rashida Talib for espousing hatred of Jews in Congress. So she's on no committees anymore or given time to rant on the floor any longer. The Candidate for President this time, to get my vote HAD to be competent and Pro-Israel. We dodged a bullet. Aloha and Shalom..
Correction: 5 died as a result of and MANY were injured including at least 174 police officers
most dunno Jan 6th wuzza spook operation--Ray Epps an' others--literally THOUSANDS of CIA & Soros plants (incl. mercenery goons from (n)Uke-Rain-- ta cause trouble--most patriots were peace-lovin'. Dr. Simone Gold, proudly jooish, got arrested fer speakin' in the lobby. it wuzza set up ta smear all the Magas, staged by Poo-Lousy (who also had the Nat. Guard NOT come per DJT's request...) Writer here is 100% keerecht on all things chewish but gits a DING on Jan 6th (a lesson in lockin' up innocent peepull an' a baaaad pressy-dent... or may we say a bad precedent aka Joe Bidet)
Yes non Jews have a right to comment because you define what counts as antisemitism and use that to attack those you disagree with. Those people have a right to argue back and defend themselves.
Your last paragraph is just a screaming piece of abuse and hate.
I'm glad antisemitic jerkoffs like you comment and expose yourselves for exactly what you are.
Yup, I hate uneducated haters who have excuses for being idiotic.
I dispute what you say about Netanyahu. Present your evidence.
"Biden was generally wonderful for Israel..." What planet do you live on? It was wonderful for Israel when Biden delayed or stopped military shipments to Israel that they paid for (not gifts). It was wonderful for Israel when Biden gave billions of our tax dollars to Iran, Hamas and other terrorist anti-Semitic countries, and to the anti-Israel United Nations. Thankfully, the Republican Congress just passed a bill to make sure that Israel promptly receives all the weapons, bombs, etc. that they paid for. My deep sympathy to you and the rest of the Marxist left-wing Jews whose thinking is so befuddled it is beyond comprehension.
Conservative evangelical Christians have overwhelmingly supported Jewish people and Zionism for decades. All I even hear from Jews is that the left and right are equally guilty. Where I am supporting Zionism as an academic will get you fired or worse. Only the Christians have the guts to stand firm. If you cannot acknowledge the friends you have and lump them in with the “far right” well I just don’t know what to say any more.
https://substack.com/profile/104583926-david-roseman/note/c-104538043?r=1q9lh2&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
“You’re a Trumpist for defending Israel’s right to exist!” - the left
“You’re a commie for calling out Trump as a demagogue and the right’s antisemitism!” -the right
Apparently we can’t say anything right
Learnt that recently with the IDF rape claims. Immoral for raping and immoral for refusing to rape (as Arabs seen as less than dogs, apparently).
Can’t win.
Got to credit these antisemites for managing to make being against rape sinful!