I am not saying this to be disrespectful, but I always wonder what a Jew means when they say they are not a Zionist. Are you saying that you don’t believe that Jews are the indigenous people of Israel? Are you saying that we are the indigenous people of Poland and Russia…the same people who led pogroms against us and would not let survivors back in their homes after the Holocaust? Are you not agreeing that the Arabs were given plenty of chances since 1948 to agree to a peaceful sharing of land? And what is the government of Israel supposed to do when its innocent citizens are massacred and when rockets are fired making citizens leave their homes? What are they supposed to do when the enemy puts their so called “innocents” at risk by shooting rockets from amongst them? Are you telling us that Israel should just sit there and let citizens be kidnapped and massacred? Let Israel shrink smaller and smaller as rocket fire makes life more and more unsafe? Or are you saying that they should just pack up and move someplace like Greenland or Madagascar?
The Irish are a peasant society descended from a thousand generations of peasants and serfs. Commonly known as the dumbest people in Europe and as potato n166ers, they naturally feature the common attributes of most peasant cultures - conformism, superstitious religiosity and antisemitism.
So sorry for your ignorance. You’re pro-peace, but anti-Zionist? Have you ever read Israel’s Declaration of Independence - the ultimate Zionist document? It’s all about asking for peace with neighbours. Tell me, what pro-peace efforts have you seen from the Palestinian side? Quite the opposite. And you clearly have your head up your ass regarding “indiscriminate killing” etc. I guess the Irish Jew doesn’t fall far from the Irish antisemite tree. You’re a hypocrite and a danger to Jewish survival.
Agree. People with such mindset are more dangerous to the Jewish people than the Arabs. I guess some parts of the diaspora have become so divorced from K’lal Yisrael that this can happen but unfortunately ther are too many American Jews like this as well.
" While I can understand the discomfort some Jews might feel walking around seeing Palestinian flags waving from buildings, they (and I) need to remember they are rooted, not in antisemitism, but in pro-peace." What utter nonsense. You are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts. Waving Palestinian flags has become the signature of anti-Israel and antisemitism the world over.
I suppose he needs to face it finally when it becomes physical to him. I would suggest he look at the the history of “anti-Zionism” brought to you by the same people who wrote the Protocols of the Elders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_anti-Zionism
After reading things like this I am reminded of the saying of Hillel. “If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?” Note that the FIRST part is that we have to care for ourselves. Yes, we need to help others and be a light unto the Nations, but if we let ourselves be destroyed, we will not be a light for anyone. The Torah does not tell us to lay back and let ourselves be destroyed.
You (Reuben Salsa) say you’re a “Proud Zionist” whereas this Irish chap is anti-Zionist. My cognitive dissonance alarm 🚨 just went off. Hence, my previous comment.
Fair point Jonathan. I like to present differing viewpoints in the hope for more understanding and empathy. Yes I'm a proud Zionist but it doesn't make me want to hate all the Jewish anti zionists. I want to explain why I feel that way and hear why they would feel the way they do.
My grandfather was an anti-Zionist and I certainly never hated him. I also feel some empathy for the folks born in the Gaza Strip. They didn’t sign up for that. Sometimes I think that all those Gaza Strip folks should be allowed to relocate in Michigan or Minneapolis. Let CAIR pay their expenses. Other times I think that’s a bad idea. In any case I don’t live in either place.
I began last year as an anti-Zionist until I started questioning what exactly that meant? Did I really hate Israel or its policies? Was I really against an Israeli state when all my prayers pointed to Israel?
People change. It helps to understand the other side. Sometimes, they’ve gone to far but I feel most people simply repeat doctrine they’ve heard from their peers without questioning what it all means.
Perfectly said if you have a bag over your head and ear plugs in and don’t pay any attention to the world. This is hugely naive, at best, and willfully ignorant.
How naive are you, Simon!? You know, or you should know, that anti-Zionism means that you don’t think Israel should exist, meaning the destruction of Israel. You don’t think that is inti-Semitic?!
Anti-Zionist Jews are by definition not pro-peace, sorry. This is where your argument falls apart:
"While I can understand the discomfort some Jews might feel walking around seeing Palestinian flags waving from buildings, they (and I) need to remember they are rooted, not in antisemitism, but in pro-peace."
There is nothing "pro-peace" about the Palestinian flag.
Whoever wrote this piece is wrapped so tightly in comforting delusions, hopefully if you tear that one away from him the others will follow.
A simple look at Palestinian history shows a total glaring absence of any interest in peace, but facing and accepting this fact seems to be hard for certain types of people (mostly kind and soft-hearted Westerners).
This piece was all sentimental cliches that added nothing to the conversation.
Simon, you are literally the first Jew ever to see the light and be more morally pure than the rest of us backwards, tribal Jews. Congratulations.
Do you think Israelis go to war for fun?
Why don't you ask Irish-Israeli Emily Hand, an innocent young girl taken hostage by Hamas on Oct. 7th, about the overwhelming tidal wave of Jew-hatred she has received from the Irish people.
But it's all good because *you're one of the good ones.*
Ireland's antisemitism goes back a long way. It may have lain dormant but my Lithuanian Jewish ancestors left owing to the "Limerick pogroms". As for the Palestinian flags being waved as a pro-peace gesture, I think many do genuinely hang them as a message of desired peace. Unfortunately it is (and they are) being manipulated by those who don't want peace but want Israel and Jews annihilated. It is a slow but calculated form of brainwashing, and it works. I am pro-Peace all the way. But until Palestinians can accept Jews and choose to live in peace with them, their leaders will keep choosing war, and will continue to indoctrinate the population to choose war. You can't ask one warring side to put down their weapons (including propaganda, coercion and manipulation) but not the other - it's really not that hard to understand.
Don't you know that the Palestinians refused a two—State solution, they want Israël to disappear!
I am not saying this to be disrespectful, but I always wonder what a Jew means when they say they are not a Zionist. Are you saying that you don’t believe that Jews are the indigenous people of Israel? Are you saying that we are the indigenous people of Poland and Russia…the same people who led pogroms against us and would not let survivors back in their homes after the Holocaust? Are you not agreeing that the Arabs were given plenty of chances since 1948 to agree to a peaceful sharing of land? And what is the government of Israel supposed to do when its innocent citizens are massacred and when rockets are fired making citizens leave their homes? What are they supposed to do when the enemy puts their so called “innocents” at risk by shooting rockets from amongst them? Are you telling us that Israel should just sit there and let citizens be kidnapped and massacred? Let Israel shrink smaller and smaller as rocket fire makes life more and more unsafe? Or are you saying that they should just pack up and move someplace like Greenland or Madagascar?
The Irish are a peasant society descended from a thousand generations of peasants and serfs. Commonly known as the dumbest people in Europe and as potato n166ers, they naturally feature the common attributes of most peasant cultures - conformism, superstitious religiosity and antisemitism.
I think Ireland is just nostalgic for the days of the IRA.
It’s also an attribute of the same thing - an immediate sympathy to any cause of “liberation.”
So sorry for your ignorance. You’re pro-peace, but anti-Zionist? Have you ever read Israel’s Declaration of Independence - the ultimate Zionist document? It’s all about asking for peace with neighbours. Tell me, what pro-peace efforts have you seen from the Palestinian side? Quite the opposite. And you clearly have your head up your ass regarding “indiscriminate killing” etc. I guess the Irish Jew doesn’t fall far from the Irish antisemite tree. You’re a hypocrite and a danger to Jewish survival.
Agree. People with such mindset are more dangerous to the Jewish people than the Arabs. I guess some parts of the diaspora have become so divorced from K’lal Yisrael that this can happen but unfortunately ther are too many American Jews like this as well.
Eve Barlow is Scottish. Don’t malign her.
Oops, you’re right
Agreed. Too many Jews are unaware of our history, the history since the 1880s, international law, and the events on the ground since 1948.
" While I can understand the discomfort some Jews might feel walking around seeing Palestinian flags waving from buildings, they (and I) need to remember they are rooted, not in antisemitism, but in pro-peace." What utter nonsense. You are entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts. Waving Palestinian flags has become the signature of anti-Israel and antisemitism the world over.
I suppose he needs to face it finally when it becomes physical to him. I would suggest he look at the the history of “anti-Zionism” brought to you by the same people who wrote the Protocols of the Elders. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_anti-Zionism
Too bad perhaps a quick reading of Jabotinsky’s “The Iron Wall” (8 pages) and Muhammad’s Al-Quran would go a long way towards educating you.
WTF?
After reading things like this I am reminded of the saying of Hillel. “If I am not for myself, who will be for me? If I am only for myself, what am I? And if not now, when?” Note that the FIRST part is that we have to care for ourselves. Yes, we need to help others and be a light unto the Nations, but if we let ourselves be destroyed, we will not be a light for anyone. The Torah does not tell us to lay back and let ourselves be destroyed.
You (Reuben Salsa) say you’re a “Proud Zionist” whereas this Irish chap is anti-Zionist. My cognitive dissonance alarm 🚨 just went off. Hence, my previous comment.
Fair point Jonathan. I like to present differing viewpoints in the hope for more understanding and empathy. Yes I'm a proud Zionist but it doesn't make me want to hate all the Jewish anti zionists. I want to explain why I feel that way and hear why they would feel the way they do.
My grandfather was an anti-Zionist and I certainly never hated him. I also feel some empathy for the folks born in the Gaza Strip. They didn’t sign up for that. Sometimes I think that all those Gaza Strip folks should be allowed to relocate in Michigan or Minneapolis. Let CAIR pay their expenses. Other times I think that’s a bad idea. In any case I don’t live in either place.
I began last year as an anti-Zionist until I started questioning what exactly that meant? Did I really hate Israel or its policies? Was I really against an Israeli state when all my prayers pointed to Israel?
People change. It helps to understand the other side. Sometimes, they’ve gone to far but I feel most people simply repeat doctrine they’ve heard from their peers without questioning what it all means.
What did we Jews in Michigan ever do to you?
Perfectly said if you have a bag over your head and ear plugs in and don’t pay any attention to the world. This is hugely naive, at best, and willfully ignorant.
How naive are you, Simon!? You know, or you should know, that anti-Zionism means that you don’t think Israel should exist, meaning the destruction of Israel. You don’t think that is inti-Semitic?!
Anti-Zionist Jews are by definition not pro-peace, sorry. This is where your argument falls apart:
"While I can understand the discomfort some Jews might feel walking around seeing Palestinian flags waving from buildings, they (and I) need to remember they are rooted, not in antisemitism, but in pro-peace."
There is nothing "pro-peace" about the Palestinian flag.
Whoever wrote this piece is wrapped so tightly in comforting delusions, hopefully if you tear that one away from him the others will follow.
A simple look at Palestinian history shows a total glaring absence of any interest in peace, but facing and accepting this fact seems to be hard for certain types of people (mostly kind and soft-hearted Westerners).
This piece was all sentimental cliches that added nothing to the conversation.
The depth of this person’s ignorance is staggering.
*Slow clap* 👏
Simon, you are literally the first Jew ever to see the light and be more morally pure than the rest of us backwards, tribal Jews. Congratulations.
Do you think Israelis go to war for fun?
Why don't you ask Irish-Israeli Emily Hand, an innocent young girl taken hostage by Hamas on Oct. 7th, about the overwhelming tidal wave of Jew-hatred she has received from the Irish people.
But it's all good because *you're one of the good ones.*
Ireland's antisemitism goes back a long way. It may have lain dormant but my Lithuanian Jewish ancestors left owing to the "Limerick pogroms". As for the Palestinian flags being waved as a pro-peace gesture, I think many do genuinely hang them as a message of desired peace. Unfortunately it is (and they are) being manipulated by those who don't want peace but want Israel and Jews annihilated. It is a slow but calculated form of brainwashing, and it works. I am pro-Peace all the way. But until Palestinians can accept Jews and choose to live in peace with them, their leaders will keep choosing war, and will continue to indoctrinate the population to choose war. You can't ask one warring side to put down their weapons (including propaganda, coercion and manipulation) but not the other - it's really not that hard to understand.