None of the Pro-Hamas crowds could accurately answer. When I see women in their scarves SCREAMING in people's faces, I just lose it a bit. How no one has slapped these folks is a mystery. Praying for Israel day and night. The peace loving people are every bit as tough and badass as the Psychopaths surrounding them.
The funny thing is if those same women had to wear those scarves or risk being beaten to death by the morality police, they would be screaming that they were a symbol of patriarchal oppression.
Yes. You know it. And they've been screaming at people just trying to avoid them, I.AM HAMAS!!! Today is little Ariel (Batman) Bibas 5th Birthday. We are living in frightening times...again/still. 😢 I heard a soldier from IDF talking about how difficult in the hot, sandy conditions, but that "for the captives, it is 1000 times worse." We cannot imagine, or know what is coming. Aloha.
Here’s another question to as. If you are so worried about “occupation” why don’t you deed your home back to the Native Americans? If not, why not? What right do you have to be in the US?
The Grayzone!!! Are you serious? Please dig deeper and discover who's behind the Greyzone. And that the entire video is a farce. Hamas literally filmed themselves committing unspeakable violence, and being gleeful about it, so what the fuck are you trying to do here, other than psychological abuse, gasliting, and DARVO?
Couldn't agree more with your question, Reuben! Perhaps from the clutches of cult-like hatred indoctrinated by centuries of regressive (non)-education?
Would you be happy if the Isrealis shut off the dome and allow the thousands of missiles to hit? Would that make them less playing a victim in your eyes?
Yes, or you can pay for it yourself instead of leeching off American and European tax dollars by installing pro zionists in every level of our political system. Then, you might rethink where to place your ethnostate.
Wow Phil, can you not see the oxymoron in your statement? On the one hand you want free speech and the other you want to stop people believing in an ideology within politics. You can't have it both ways Phil.
And your response...wipe out an entire population of Jews is hardly a solution and very antisemitic.
I agree Lawfare should be stopped on all sides. Whilst I accept that journalists/ media outlets and most of all judiciary and it's processes inevitably will have an angle they have in this current age become disgustingly partisan favouring in majority of cases one side. Here in UK the favoured ones are Islamists and TRA and all who favour the encroachment on our freedoms. As far as I can tell here as elsewhere Jewish folk like everyone else are not included in special demographics even more so given frenzy of anti semitism since Oct 7th.
Seeing as your concerned about our tax monies being spent abroad - a valid concern which I share - perhaps you could also while you're at it raise particular concern over monies being spent on those who opposed Israel not least Palestine . Hamas being in charge is v good at giving off monies for 'pensions' and other goodies for those who murder and terrorise. Not so good at funnelling monies to ordinary Gazans. Hamas is a grifter extrordinaire and cares not one jot about the people it Lords over.
Sigh, god how depressing seeing all those points laid out all at the same time. They are ALL exactly right. They are points I have made to people close to me. When I do it always comes back to personal attack of so you approve of killing tens of thousands of children" . It seems that too many people have swallowed the propaganda and conveniently forgotten Oct 7th. I am not Jewish as a human being I was horrified at what happened on that terrible day. I am also horrified at the callous disregard Hamas have for the Gazan population in particular children.
Settler colonial societies necessitate genocide and mass murderer. What Israel is are doing today, was also perpetuated long ago by the Spanish, Portuguese, French, Dutch, British and Americans in the 15th, 16th..20th and to date in this 21st century. Your story is not only pure hogwash, jingoism, but a bunch of idiotic lies to justify a genocide. Pathetic trash to be precise.
Yes it is. Even Herzl wasn’t this much of a deceptive liar, he was at least ballsy enough to admit the Zionist project is a settler colonial project. Now we just get wusses and genocidal apologists like you trying desperately to rewrite the actual history. *You* definitely need to read what Jabotinsky himself has said and some more from some actual and credible historians and not some handout material from the Hollywood PR department.
By the way, not sure if you are paying attention but the Israelis are raping the Palestinians to death as you write this whitewashed hogwash.
Right. Can’t deny he said that but what you seem to lack an understanding of, is the context.
Early Zionists themselves referred to it as “colonization” and thought of it as a colonial project. But the meaning of that term in the late 19th and early 20th centuries was broader and less problematic than how it is used by leftists today. In its use at the time, there were two kinds of “colonial projects”. The first consisted of immigration. Any intentional project in which people would move to a place to find a better life would be called a colonial project. This sort of “colonial project” is value neutral and not inherently destructive as the “colony” is not a colony of a foreign state and is not established for the purpose of exploitation of people or resources.
The second kind of “colonialism” is a form of foreign conquest, in which a state sends people and armies into another country as their agents, for the purpose of subjugating it and using its resources for the benefit of the imperial state.
And since there never was a Jewish state looking to invade, how could they colonize?
Even the Oxford Dictionary has a better understanding of colonization then you do.
“/ˈkɒlənaɪzə(r)/ /ˈkɑːlənaɪzər/ (British English also coloniser) a person who helps take control of an area or a country that is not their own, especially using force, and sends people from their own country to live there.
We are watching online how the “politicians” in Knesset are debating which all ways Israelis can rape the non-Israelis. Who knows who is telling you what. You ain’t gonna come out here and admit to it now, are you? 😂 endorsement of rape of the non-Israelis is the tip of the iceberg here. What all goes on we will never know since there’s no independent investigation.
So your colonial bullshit argument has been shot down and now you want me to disprove another bullshit argument. At what point are you going to stop believeing the Hamas PR department and trusting the word of terrorists?
Theodor Herzl did not explicitly describe Zionism as a "settler project" in the way you might understand the term today. However, his writings and activities suggest that he viewed the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine as a form of colonization, albeit with a different motivation and context than typical European settler colonialism of the time.
Herzl did acknowledge that Zionism involved a process of colonization, but his conception of it was not aligned with the exploitative and imperialist nature of European colonialism. Instead, he envisioned a form of colonization that was legal, peaceful, and aimed at the rejuvenation of a Jewish national identity.
The interpretation of Zionism as a settler colonial project, however, often depends on one's perspective - or perhaps on inherent preconceptions?
And to lighten the mood of this serious debate for a moment, I came across a hilarious question online: "There used to be something called “nudist colonies”... Were these people sent by nude imperialists to exploit the natives?"
Israel is a settler colonial society according to Jewish academic and writer Ilan Pappé. Further, if we study European and American settler colonial history, it totally resembles or gives inspiration to Zionist settler colonialism.
Well, you're a real livewire.By 1947, Jewish holdings in Paestine amounted to about 463,000 hectares. 45,000 acquired from Mandatory British Government, 30,000 bought from various churches and 387,500 purchased from Arab landowners.
There is mountains of evidence as to how Israel invaded, stole and occupied land, as part of the Zionist settler colonial project. The more you try to present such ad-hoc information, the worse it gets to hide the actual crimes (Nakba onwards) committed by illegal settlers.
Nakba was the term coined by the Arabs to describe the catastrophic defeat of their armies when their invasion of the newly formed in 1948 was thwarted. So embarrassing was this they seek to hide the event and instead use it to refer to the movement of Arabs which resulted from their defeated invasion.
There is nothing called a Hamas P.R. dept. Read the latest verdict by the ICJ. The ICJ is a body of the best lawyers and judges, and not some P.R. show. We also follow credible Jewish academics who have repeatedly denounced Zionism and the genocidal regime of Israel. Now morons like yourself, can feel the satisfaction, by quibbling and berating honest people, as any faithful member of any closed (ghetto like) society does.
A Hamas-PR-Departement sounded almost more realistic than a millennial long Palestinian identity or a pre-historic Palestinian state!
I see you judge my intellectual identity - that’s not cool I might be offended 🤣.
On a more serious note: try to read all the notes on the judgement first: https://www.icj-cij.org/case/186 . And then - well reflect what justice means and how it is influenced. If you need a parallel I would suggest the trials of A. Eichmann - listen carefully to his arguments.
Have read the ICJ verdict. Have read the list of convicted criminals, Israelis and Palestinians. Justice Right? Have read books by Ilan Pappé to understand what Zionism entails as a violent settler colonial project. Have read dozens of essays and heard lectures by Norman Finkelstein to understand why Israel is a racist hyper-nationalist state. “Lunatic State” says the Jewish Academic. Have also checked with academics like Howard Zinn, Ward Churchill, Chris Hedges to name a few about the legacy of Israeli settler colonial occupation, racism and human rights abuse.. Alas, your pathetic “cool” retorts, will never be able to size up nor hide the truth. Like I said earlier, the article is a piece of trash, full of lies. We are happy that the Zionist project is failing and Israel has become a global pariah state eventually.
PS> f*CK your Eichman analogy. For Benjamin Netanyahu is the Banality Of Evil (Hannah Arendt)
Indeed, it might be easier for you if you don't read the notes of all the judges on the ICJ's advisory opinion (not a ruling). Mostly, you would feel at home with your actual opinion, but sometimes you might not. It would be awful to understand how opinionated law can be in this case in particular – yes, it’s an opinion!
I'm sorry, but from all the historians you could have picked, those two are not a solid base. Ilan Pappé is a kind of beginning, but Finkelstein – really? Besides being totally flawed, this guy has some serious psychological problems.
Howard Zinn – I don't want to criticize him much – but he thought that the Israeli state was a mistake (America was also a mistake in his opinion).
Ward Churchill, isn't he the guy who thought that 9/11 was a justified act of war?
Chris Hedges, I'm not so sure about him, but maybe he has strong ties with Russia or a very anti-American view. In any case, he is wrong; nowadays, America doesn't really support Israel as he claimed – and we can see that today.
Ok, I'm trying to be as cool as I can – believe me, it takes a lot of effort – I try really hard almost religiously.
My point, in the end, is that we both can cite a lot of people and sources, but ultimately, you and me take a personal stand – it’s a leap of faith if you are a real thinker – and admit to be human. Believe me, you think you are rational – you are not. In analogy to Arendt, that's one of the questions she really tried to ask: how do you know that your beliefs and actions don't arise because of a system that normalizes such beliefs and actions?
Your personal opinion and the pile-on text, is worth nothing. Like I said earlier, in the original comment, the story in question is utter b*llsh*t. Israel is a genocidal regime, in the making for decades now. There can be no debate nor doubt there. There are no beliefs when we read, see and understand. Keep your Hannah Arendt love for another person. She too kicked Zionism in the face eventually. She too served the American empire in more than one way. Enough said, your story is part hogwash part apologist.
No.propaganda wing of HAMAS? Then who is the Political Wing vs Military Wing vs. Financial directors. Etc
Etc. It's not called an Organization for no reason. It will be good to see Sinwar emerge from his rathole and take over Haniyeh's Post and Billions. Talk about a target on ones back!! I wouldn't want the Mossad on my tail!!! The task of retrieving the Nazi scum hanged in Israel after getting to S. America, is an intense, risky and Clever capture unlike any apprehension ever! But unlike HAMAS and the dirty Terrorist rats, I've no tail. You have a nice weekend.
If calling other people "rats" gives you the satisfaction you need, so be it. However, we know well who is responsible for genocide, who is responsible for the death of nearly 14,000 children, 21,000 missing. Israel. Now get lost with your Have a nice weekend Balls!
Are you stupid. The settler colonial project called Israel effectively erased Palestine and its legitimacy over 70 years. Is like asking Why there are no Algonquin, Iroquois, Huron, Wampanoag, Mohican, Mohegan, Ojibwa, Ho-chunk (Winnebago), Sauk, Fox, and Illinois States?? Why do you Pro-Zionist assholx come around, to ask such stupid questions is not even worth a thought.
As you seem reluctant to answer the question could you please tell me why a Palestinian State for the Arab Palestinians was not formed at the same time Israel was formed for the Jewish Palestinians?
(Also, don’t get agitated by my use of the word Palestinians: as that was how people were called who at the time were living in the Mandate of Palestine)
Hi PeeGee… I did not see the question you had posed earlier. “Why isn’t there a Palestinian State already?” There are three possible ways to provide an answer to your question
All these states, Palestine, Israel, include Jordan, Lebanon, were an outcome of the collapse of the Ottoman empire, effectively utilized by the French and British, to divide and conquer, forthcoming which all such imaginary nations were created / envisioned. But Palestine as a land of the Palestine-Arabs, which included Christians, existed for hundreds of years, during the Ottoman empire and even after its collapse.
Palestine existed much before the settler colonial project of Israel came to be. If you check the various maps, associated history et all - you will notice that via pure annexation and displacement of Palestinian people, Israel was create bit by bit. Very similar to how America and Canada were created. Bit by Bit. A 400 year long genocide. Why isn’t there a Palestine you asked? Why isnt the the Indigenous in North and South America?
There is a Palestine State. It has been recognized and honored by over 150 nations, except Israel, the US and Solomon Islands. Which means, that every democratic and non-democratic nation has recognized, that the State of Palestine is Valid. Now if someone invaded your city or village and told you to get out or get killed, What recognize and what 150 nations then?
Think better, known better, and then all such pointless questions do not even come about
This is excellent. They're all good but 1, 6, 13 and 14 have occupied a lot of my headspace as I've listened and talked with people. Saved this for further conversations.
Here is a question; how come you are mixing up Jews with zionists? When one clearly is a religion - a very peaceful one, that doesn't allow war - and the other is a political movement of warmongering, landgrabbing, dehumanizing overlords, that does not even believe in God ?
Zionism is the belief that Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people. If you understand Judaism you would know the two are intertwined. And doesn't allow war? The Torah literally has the 12 tribes conquer the land.
Good point, but all religions are connected to war somehow. It has to do with mixing politics and nation states or personal Elite agendas with faith. However, today you would not see Orthodox Jews engage in landgrabbing/ colonialism, would you now? Only zionists are hungry for that and they mask themselves as faithful Jews, while they lust after power and money ( e.g. Rothschild family) and especially Palestinian gas and oil fields at sea. Racist as hell and going about satanic stuff in the Talmud, Kabbalah, Chabad cults
I'm a Zionist and I do not lust after power and money. So why don't you take your antisemtic tropes and stuff them up your arse you racist piece of shit.
What if some of the people who spread these lies are Jews?
Great question.
#19- how is it 7,000,000+ Jews remain and will remain in Israel surrounded by a rough neighborhood of 300,000,000+ Muslims?
How indeed.
None of the Pro-Hamas crowds could accurately answer. When I see women in their scarves SCREAMING in people's faces, I just lose it a bit. How no one has slapped these folks is a mystery. Praying for Israel day and night. The peace loving people are every bit as tough and badass as the Psychopaths surrounding them.
The funny thing is if those same women had to wear those scarves or risk being beaten to death by the morality police, they would be screaming that they were a symbol of patriarchal oppression.
Yes. You know it. And they've been screaming at people just trying to avoid them, I.AM HAMAS!!! Today is little Ariel (Batman) Bibas 5th Birthday. We are living in frightening times...again/still. 😢 I heard a soldier from IDF talking about how difficult in the hot, sandy conditions, but that "for the captives, it is 1000 times worse." We cannot imagine, or know what is coming. Aloha.
Stop asking them questions. Just start shooting
Someone liked this. No one has yet demurred.
Said the wuss funded by my dollars.
Your tax dollars. Scumbags like you don’t have a pot to pee in.
Go back to your cave cockroach
Poor pansy, got his fifis hurt. You got the cock part right, you’re my biatch.
lol
You’re funny as well as being an ass hole. And a spic ass hoke to boot.
Vulgarity seems to be in the DNA, eh?
Here’s another question to as. If you are so worried about “occupation” why don’t you deed your home back to the Native Americans? If not, why not? What right do you have to be in the US?
There is actually a movement for this it’s called Land Back but you wouldn’t know about that! Very very dense.
Why are these people defending savages who invaded Israel?
All very good questions, some I hadn't thought of. Article saved for deployment when necessary.
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
end apartheid free palestine.
What apartheid? The one where no living Jew is in Yemen, Algeria, Iran or Gaza?
https://thegrayzone.com/2023/11/18/video-what-happened-october-7/
Some context for your questions.
The Grayzone!!! Are you serious? Please dig deeper and discover who's behind the Greyzone. And that the entire video is a farce. Hamas literally filmed themselves committing unspeakable violence, and being gleeful about it, so what the fuck are you trying to do here, other than psychological abuse, gasliting, and DARVO?
Tell me how many non Jews live in Israel?
Then, tell me
How many Jews live in countries surrounding Israel?
Free Palestine!
From who Phil?
Couldn't agree more with your question, Reuben! Perhaps from the clutches of cult-like hatred indoctrinated by centuries of regressive (non)-education?
The people indiscriminately bombing them and trying to play victim, the Israelis
Would you be happy if the Isrealis shut off the dome and allow the thousands of missiles to hit? Would that make them less playing a victim in your eyes?
Yes, or you can pay for it yourself instead of leeching off American and European tax dollars by installing pro zionists in every level of our political system. Then, you might rethink where to place your ethnostate.
Oh, and if you guys could stop using Lawfare to stifle free speech, such as criticism of Israel and its actions that would be great
Wow Phil, can you not see the oxymoron in your statement? On the one hand you want free speech and the other you want to stop people believing in an ideology within politics. You can't have it both ways Phil.
And your response...wipe out an entire population of Jews is hardly a solution and very antisemitic.
I agree Lawfare should be stopped on all sides. Whilst I accept that journalists/ media outlets and most of all judiciary and it's processes inevitably will have an angle they have in this current age become disgustingly partisan favouring in majority of cases one side. Here in UK the favoured ones are Islamists and TRA and all who favour the encroachment on our freedoms. As far as I can tell here as elsewhere Jewish folk like everyone else are not included in special demographics even more so given frenzy of anti semitism since Oct 7th.
Seeing as your concerned about our tax monies being spent abroad - a valid concern which I share - perhaps you could also while you're at it raise particular concern over monies being spent on those who opposed Israel not least Palestine . Hamas being in charge is v good at giving off monies for 'pensions' and other goodies for those who murder and terrorise. Not so good at funnelling monies to ordinary Gazans. Hamas is a grifter extrordinaire and cares not one jot about the people it Lords over.
Yes indeed Free 'Palestine' from Hamas.
There is no Palestine ass hole.
There is no Israel, Moishe
Really, jerk off. There’s a lot of dead animals in Gaza from something that doesn’t exist. Now go back to your cave and put your mask on and pretend.
Sigh, god how depressing seeing all those points laid out all at the same time. They are ALL exactly right. They are points I have made to people close to me. When I do it always comes back to personal attack of so you approve of killing tens of thousands of children" . It seems that too many people have swallowed the propaganda and conveniently forgotten Oct 7th. I am not Jewish as a human being I was horrified at what happened on that terrible day. I am also horrified at the callous disregard Hamas have for the Gazan population in particular children.
Settler colonial societies necessitate genocide and mass murderer. What Israel is are doing today, was also perpetuated long ago by the Spanish, Portuguese, French, Dutch, British and Americans in the 15th, 16th..20th and to date in this 21st century. Your story is not only pure hogwash, jingoism, but a bunch of idiotic lies to justify a genocide. Pathetic trash to be precise.
Not a settler colony. Maybe you need a history lesson?
Yes it is. Even Herzl wasn’t this much of a deceptive liar, he was at least ballsy enough to admit the Zionist project is a settler colonial project. Now we just get wusses and genocidal apologists like you trying desperately to rewrite the actual history. *You* definitely need to read what Jabotinsky himself has said and some more from some actual and credible historians and not some handout material from the Hollywood PR department.
By the way, not sure if you are paying attention but the Israelis are raping the Palestinians to death as you write this whitewashed hogwash.
Right. Can’t deny he said that but what you seem to lack an understanding of, is the context.
Early Zionists themselves referred to it as “colonization” and thought of it as a colonial project. But the meaning of that term in the late 19th and early 20th centuries was broader and less problematic than how it is used by leftists today. In its use at the time, there were two kinds of “colonial projects”. The first consisted of immigration. Any intentional project in which people would move to a place to find a better life would be called a colonial project. This sort of “colonial project” is value neutral and not inherently destructive as the “colony” is not a colony of a foreign state and is not established for the purpose of exploitation of people or resources.
The second kind of “colonialism” is a form of foreign conquest, in which a state sends people and armies into another country as their agents, for the purpose of subjugating it and using its resources for the benefit of the imperial state.
And since there never was a Jewish state looking to invade, how could they colonize?
Even the Oxford Dictionary has a better understanding of colonization then you do.
“/ˈkɒlənaɪzə(r)/ /ˈkɑːlənaɪzər/ (British English also coloniser) a person who helps take control of an area or a country that is not their own, especially using force, and sends people from their own country to live there.
They are encouraged to rape by their sick leadership
Nobody has ever encouraged me to rape anyone.
We are watching online how the “politicians” in Knesset are debating which all ways Israelis can rape the non-Israelis. Who knows who is telling you what. You ain’t gonna come out here and admit to it now, are you? 😂 endorsement of rape of the non-Israelis is the tip of the iceberg here. What all goes on we will never know since there’s no independent investigation.
So your colonial bullshit argument has been shot down and now you want me to disprove another bullshit argument. At what point are you going to stop believeing the Hamas PR department and trusting the word of terrorists?
Read Andrew Fox's piece about Sde Teiman.
Theodor Herzl did not explicitly describe Zionism as a "settler project" in the way you might understand the term today. However, his writings and activities suggest that he viewed the establishment of a Jewish homeland in Palestine as a form of colonization, albeit with a different motivation and context than typical European settler colonialism of the time.
Herzl did acknowledge that Zionism involved a process of colonization, but his conception of it was not aligned with the exploitative and imperialist nature of European colonialism. Instead, he envisioned a form of colonization that was legal, peaceful, and aimed at the rejuvenation of a Jewish national identity.
The interpretation of Zionism as a settler colonial project, however, often depends on one's perspective - or perhaps on inherent preconceptions?
And to lighten the mood of this serious debate for a moment, I came across a hilarious question online: "There used to be something called “nudist colonies”... Were these people sent by nude imperialists to exploit the natives?"
Israel is a settler colonial society according to Jewish academic and writer Ilan Pappé. Further, if we study European and American settler colonial history, it totally resembles or gives inspiration to Zionist settler colonialism.
Well, you're a real livewire.By 1947, Jewish holdings in Paestine amounted to about 463,000 hectares. 45,000 acquired from Mandatory British Government, 30,000 bought from various churches and 387,500 purchased from Arab landowners.
These are facts.
Furthermore, Israel captured territory during the 6 day war, Judea, Samaria and East Jerusalem...not from Palestine, but Jordan.
Arab ethnic cleansing long predates occupation, Israel’s existence, the IDF and West Bank settlers:
Bnei Yehuda 1920, Tel Hai, Metula 1920
Kfar Saba 1921
Kfar Uria 1921
Ruhama 1929
Hartuv 1929
Hulda 1929
Motza 1929
Poria 1929
Beit She'an 1936
These are facts unlike the fake Nakba where Arabs left their homes on the orders of the Arab armies believing they'll return.
Genocidal? Colonizers? Go ask the Jordanians as they cleansed their country of Palestinians.
There is mountains of evidence as to how Israel invaded, stole and occupied land, as part of the Zionist settler colonial project. The more you try to present such ad-hoc information, the worse it gets to hide the actual crimes (Nakba onwards) committed by illegal settlers.
The Nakba is one great big lie.
Oh that old chestnut?
Nakba was the term coined by the Arabs to describe the catastrophic defeat of their armies when their invasion of the newly formed in 1948 was thwarted. So embarrassing was this they seek to hide the event and instead use it to refer to the movement of Arabs which resulted from their defeated invasion.
So, Why isn’t there a Palestinian State already?
Damn boy! That’s literally a prepared statement from the Hamas-PR department - it has been pasted everywhere online. That’s so creative!
But be careful with so much creativity - it is life affirming - you might suddenly become Jewish!
There is nothing called a Hamas P.R. dept. Read the latest verdict by the ICJ. The ICJ is a body of the best lawyers and judges, and not some P.R. show. We also follow credible Jewish academics who have repeatedly denounced Zionism and the genocidal regime of Israel. Now morons like yourself, can feel the satisfaction, by quibbling and berating honest people, as any faithful member of any closed (ghetto like) society does.
A Hamas-PR-Departement sounded almost more realistic than a millennial long Palestinian identity or a pre-historic Palestinian state!
I see you judge my intellectual identity - that’s not cool I might be offended 🤣.
On a more serious note: try to read all the notes on the judgement first: https://www.icj-cij.org/case/186 . And then - well reflect what justice means and how it is influenced. If you need a parallel I would suggest the trials of A. Eichmann - listen carefully to his arguments.
Have read the ICJ verdict. Have read the list of convicted criminals, Israelis and Palestinians. Justice Right? Have read books by Ilan Pappé to understand what Zionism entails as a violent settler colonial project. Have read dozens of essays and heard lectures by Norman Finkelstein to understand why Israel is a racist hyper-nationalist state. “Lunatic State” says the Jewish Academic. Have also checked with academics like Howard Zinn, Ward Churchill, Chris Hedges to name a few about the legacy of Israeli settler colonial occupation, racism and human rights abuse.. Alas, your pathetic “cool” retorts, will never be able to size up nor hide the truth. Like I said earlier, the article is a piece of trash, full of lies. We are happy that the Zionist project is failing and Israel has become a global pariah state eventually.
PS> f*CK your Eichman analogy. For Benjamin Netanyahu is the Banality Of Evil (Hannah Arendt)
Indeed, it might be easier for you if you don't read the notes of all the judges on the ICJ's advisory opinion (not a ruling). Mostly, you would feel at home with your actual opinion, but sometimes you might not. It would be awful to understand how opinionated law can be in this case in particular – yes, it’s an opinion!
I'm sorry, but from all the historians you could have picked, those two are not a solid base. Ilan Pappé is a kind of beginning, but Finkelstein – really? Besides being totally flawed, this guy has some serious psychological problems.
Howard Zinn – I don't want to criticize him much – but he thought that the Israeli state was a mistake (America was also a mistake in his opinion).
Ward Churchill, isn't he the guy who thought that 9/11 was a justified act of war?
Chris Hedges, I'm not so sure about him, but maybe he has strong ties with Russia or a very anti-American view. In any case, he is wrong; nowadays, America doesn't really support Israel as he claimed – and we can see that today.
Ok, I'm trying to be as cool as I can – believe me, it takes a lot of effort – I try really hard almost religiously.
My point, in the end, is that we both can cite a lot of people and sources, but ultimately, you and me take a personal stand – it’s a leap of faith if you are a real thinker – and admit to be human. Believe me, you think you are rational – you are not. In analogy to Arendt, that's one of the questions she really tried to ask: how do you know that your beliefs and actions don't arise because of a system that normalizes such beliefs and actions?
Your personal opinion and the pile-on text, is worth nothing. Like I said earlier, in the original comment, the story in question is utter b*llsh*t. Israel is a genocidal regime, in the making for decades now. There can be no debate nor doubt there. There are no beliefs when we read, see and understand. Keep your Hannah Arendt love for another person. She too kicked Zionism in the face eventually. She too served the American empire in more than one way. Enough said, your story is part hogwash part apologist.
No.propaganda wing of HAMAS? Then who is the Political Wing vs Military Wing vs. Financial directors. Etc
Etc. It's not called an Organization for no reason. It will be good to see Sinwar emerge from his rathole and take over Haniyeh's Post and Billions. Talk about a target on ones back!! I wouldn't want the Mossad on my tail!!! The task of retrieving the Nazi scum hanged in Israel after getting to S. America, is an intense, risky and Clever capture unlike any apprehension ever! But unlike HAMAS and the dirty Terrorist rats, I've no tail. You have a nice weekend.
If calling other people "rats" gives you the satisfaction you need, so be it. However, we know well who is responsible for genocide, who is responsible for the death of nearly 14,000 children, 21,000 missing. Israel. Now get lost with your Have a nice weekend Balls!
So, Why isn’t there a Palestinian State already?
Are you stupid. The settler colonial project called Israel effectively erased Palestine and its legitimacy over 70 years. Is like asking Why there are no Algonquin, Iroquois, Huron, Wampanoag, Mohican, Mohegan, Ojibwa, Ho-chunk (Winnebago), Sauk, Fox, and Illinois States?? Why do you Pro-Zionist assholx come around, to ask such stupid questions is not even worth a thought.
Apologies for the delay in replying.
As you seem reluctant to answer the question could you please tell me why a Palestinian State for the Arab Palestinians was not formed at the same time Israel was formed for the Jewish Palestinians?
(Also, don’t get agitated by my use of the word Palestinians: as that was how people were called who at the time were living in the Mandate of Palestine)
Hi PeeGee… I did not see the question you had posed earlier. “Why isn’t there a Palestinian State already?” There are three possible ways to provide an answer to your question
All these states, Palestine, Israel, include Jordan, Lebanon, were an outcome of the collapse of the Ottoman empire, effectively utilized by the French and British, to divide and conquer, forthcoming which all such imaginary nations were created / envisioned. But Palestine as a land of the Palestine-Arabs, which included Christians, existed for hundreds of years, during the Ottoman empire and even after its collapse.
Palestine existed much before the settler colonial project of Israel came to be. If you check the various maps, associated history et all - you will notice that via pure annexation and displacement of Palestinian people, Israel was create bit by bit. Very similar to how America and Canada were created. Bit by Bit. A 400 year long genocide. Why isn’t there a Palestine you asked? Why isnt the the Indigenous in North and South America?
There is a Palestine State. It has been recognized and honored by over 150 nations, except Israel, the US and Solomon Islands. Which means, that every democratic and non-democratic nation has recognized, that the State of Palestine is Valid. Now if someone invaded your city or village and told you to get out or get killed, What recognize and what 150 nations then?
Think better, known better, and then all such pointless questions do not even come about
This is excellent. They're all good but 1, 6, 13 and 14 have occupied a lot of my headspace as I've listened and talked with people. Saved this for further conversations.
Here is a question; how come you are mixing up Jews with zionists? When one clearly is a religion - a very peaceful one, that doesn't allow war - and the other is a political movement of warmongering, landgrabbing, dehumanizing overlords, that does not even believe in God ?
Zionism is the belief that Israel is the homeland of the Jewish people. If you understand Judaism you would know the two are intertwined. And doesn't allow war? The Torah literally has the 12 tribes conquer the land.
Good point, but all religions are connected to war somehow. It has to do with mixing politics and nation states or personal Elite agendas with faith. However, today you would not see Orthodox Jews engage in landgrabbing/ colonialism, would you now? Only zionists are hungry for that and they mask themselves as faithful Jews, while they lust after power and money ( e.g. Rothschild family) and especially Palestinian gas and oil fields at sea. Racist as hell and going about satanic stuff in the Talmud, Kabbalah, Chabad cults
I'm a Zionist and I do not lust after power and money. So why don't you take your antisemtic tropes and stuff them up your arse you racist piece of shit.
Immensely sad but great send up of the issues!
You missed the knockout question:
“Why isn’t there a Palestinian State already?”.
The answer to this will reveal the extent to which the person is misinformed, and can be shown to be wrong by asking a few clarifications.
Excellent! Thank you.